Gratteri:<\/strong> At\u00ebher\u00eb, a jemi gati? Mund t\u00eb vazhdojm\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0At\u00ebher\u00eb Dr.Gratteri \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb k\u00ebnaq\u00ebsi e madhe t\u00eb jem k\u00ebtu duke ju intervistuar. Ju jeni duke jetuar prej dhjetra vitesh i shoqeruar me eskort\u00eb. Si \u00ebsht\u00eb t\u00eb jetosh gjithmon\u00eb i k\u00ebrc\u00ebnuar, i kujdessh\u00ebm. Si \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrditshm\u00ebria juaj?<\/p>\n Gratteri:<\/strong>\u00a0Episodi i par\u00eb ndodhi n\u00eb vitin 1989 kur nj\u00eb mbr\u00ebmje, nj\u00eb nat\u00eb q\u00eblluan n\u00eb der\u00ebn e t\u00eb fejuar\u00ebs time. Kan\u00eb q\u00eblluar 5 ose 6 her\u00eb me pistolet\u00eb. M\u00eb pas e kan\u00eb telefonuar te telefoni i sht\u00ebpis\u00eb dhe i kan\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb: \u201cje duke u martuar me nj\u00eb t\u00eb vdekur\u201d. Me pak fjal\u00eb ata donin t\u00eb m\u00eb b\u00ebnin \u201ctok\u00eb e djegur\u201d. Sepse kur isha gjykat\u00ebs instruktor, me kodin e vjet\u00ebr gjyq\u00ebsor, kam b\u00ebr\u00eb hetime, p\u00ebr trafikun nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtar t\u00eb drog\u00ebs, t\u00eb kokain\u00ebs n\u00eb ve\u00e7anti. Si edhe p\u00ebr marr\u00ebdh\u00ebnien midis Ndranghetas dhe politik\u00ebs. Kjo b\u00ebri q\u00eb Ndrangheta t\u00eb mbante nj\u00eb q\u00ebndrim ndaj meje, t\u00eb m\u00eb kund\u00ebrvihej. Pastaj me kalimin e viteve ka patur nj\u00eb rritje t\u00eb k\u00ebrc\u00ebnimeve, nga leximi i p\u00ebrgjimeve telefonike dhe ambientale ku flitej se donin t\u00eb m\u00eb eliminonin. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb kjo jet\u00eb ka qen\u00eb me ulje-ngritje. Nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb, para 5 vitesh ka qen\u00eb le t\u00eb themi viti m\u00eb i v\u00ebshtir\u00eb sepse disa struktura t\u00eb Ndranghetas n\u00eb bot\u00eb, si n\u00eb Ne\u00eb York, u mblodh\u00ebn p\u00ebr t\u00eb vendosur q\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00eb vrisnin. Pastaj u mblodh\u00ebn edhe n\u00eb Calabri. Por Ndrangheta e zon\u00ebs s\u00eb Regio Calabrias atje ku un\u00eb jetoja, ka kund\u00ebrshtuar duke th\u00ebn\u00eb se nuk duan probleme. Ai q\u00eb ka qen\u00eb momenti m\u00eb i sikletsh\u00ebm, momenti kur gjith\u00e7ka u b\u00eb e qart\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0Ju keni nj\u00eb familje, keni edhe dy f\u00ebmij\u00eb. Ata si jetojn\u00eb? Si \u00ebsht\u00eb jeta e tyre?<\/p>\n Gratteri:<\/strong>\u00a0Me ta nuk kam nj\u00eb raport t\u00eb vazhduesh\u00ebm, konstant. Kalojn\u00eb edhe jav\u00eb q\u00eb nuk d\u00ebgjohemi. Q\u00eb kur kan\u00eb qen\u00eb t\u00eb vegj\u00ebl, nuk kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb kurr\u00eb nj\u00eb sh\u00ebtitje s\u00eb bashku apo t\u00eb shkonim nj\u00eb her\u00eb n\u00eb plazh. Ose un\u00eb t\u00eb shkoja kur ata recitonin n\u00eb shkoll\u00eb, apo t\u00eb shkoja n\u00eb shkoll\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb interesohesha se si po shkojn\u00eb f\u00ebmij\u00ebt. Nuk i kam ndjekur. Jan\u00eb f\u00ebmij\u00ebt e gruas time. Kam k\u00ebrkuar gjithmon\u00eb t\u00eb ruaj sa m\u00eb shum\u00eb distanc\u00ebn.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0Nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb ata a kan\u00eb patur ndonj\u00eb situat\u00eb ku i ka b\u00ebr\u00eb, le t\u00eb themi q\u00eb t\u00eb mendojn\u00eb t\u00eb largohen nga Italia. Ose gj\u00ebra t\u00eb tilla.<\/p>\n Gratteri: N\u00eb fakt jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb veri t\u00eb Italis\u00eb. Nuk jetojn\u00eb k\u00ebtu. Pik\u00ebrisht sepse k\u00ebto probleme i kan\u00eb tronditur, i kan\u00eb kusht\u00ebzuar. Sepse prej vitesh e kan\u00eb patur edhe ata eskort\u00ebn, nj\u00ebri prej tyre akoma e ka. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb jet\u00eb shum\u00eb e bukur. Mundohemi sa t\u00eb jet\u00eb e mundur q\u00eb t\u00eb rrijm\u00eb sa m\u00eb larg nj\u00ebri tjetrit.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0A ju kujtohet hera e fundit kur je ulur n\u00eb nj\u00eb restorant. Apo kur ke qen\u00eb n\u00eb stadium. N\u00eb kinema.<\/p>\n Gratteri:\u00a0<\/strong>Jo, nuk kam hyr\u00eb kurr\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb stadium, nuk kam qen\u00eb kurr\u00eb n\u00eb kinema. Q\u00eb nga fillimi i viteve 90 nuk e b\u00ebj m\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb jet\u00eb, nuk shkoj asgj\u00ebkundi. Un\u00eb rri k\u00ebtu n\u00eb zyr\u00eb, Ha k\u00ebtu n\u00eb zyr\u00eb. N\u00eb dark\u00eb kthehem n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi dhe t\u00eb nes\u00ebrmen n\u00eb m\u00ebngjes kthehem prap\u00eb k\u00ebtu. Ja p\u00ebr shembull, k\u00ebtu n\u00eb Napoli \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb qytet ku ka shum\u00eb teatro, shum\u00eb ngjarje kulturore. Por un\u00eb nuk shkoj asgj\u00ebkundi. Nuk kam hyr\u00eb kurr\u00eb n\u00eb asnj\u00eb teat\u00ebr k\u00ebtu n\u00eb Napoli apo t\u00eb shoh ndonj\u00eb film apo t\u00eb dal n\u00eb lungomaren e Napolit p\u00ebr t\u00eb ngr\u00ebn\u00eb nj\u00eb pic\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>Normalisht t\u00eb mungon jeta e m\u00ebparshme.<\/p>\n Gratteri:<\/strong>\u00a0Kjo jet\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb. Por p\u00ebrballohet vet\u00ebm kur je i bindur q\u00eb kjo q\u00eb b\u00ebn sh\u00ebrben. \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb jet\u00eb q\u00eb ia vlen t\u00eb jetohet. Ka njer\u00ebs q\u00eb kan\u00eb k\u00ebrc\u00ebnuar, iu \u00ebsht\u00eb v\u00ebn\u00eb gjob\u00eb, jan\u00eb terrorizuar, dhe t\u00eb shohin me shpres\u00eb, ndaj po, ia vlen.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0A keni ju nj\u00eb shif\u00ebr t\u00eb personave, t\u00eb mafiozave q\u00eb keni d\u00ebrguar pas hekurave?<\/p>\n Gratteri:\u00a0Disa mij\u00ebra. Q\u00eb kur b\u00ebj k\u00ebt\u00eb pun\u00eb nga 87. Un\u00eb vij nga ato zona dhe ndranghetist\u00ebt jan\u00eb me breza, dhe ka nj\u00eb p\u00ebrq\u00ebndrim t\u00eb ndranghetist\u00ebve, ndaj m\u00eb ka ndodhur t\u00eb arrestoj edhe shok\u00ebt e mij t\u00eb shkoll\u00ebs apo t\u00eb lojrave.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0Deri n\u00eb momentin kur ndodhi masakra e Duisburgut, askush jasht\u00eb Italis\u00eb nuk dinte asnj\u00eb gj\u00eb p\u00ebr \u201cNdraghetan\u201d. Ishte momenti kur shp\u00ebrtheu e gjitha. Gjithsesi ishte nj\u00eb gabim q\u00eb i kushtoi shum\u00eb \u201cNdranghetas\u201d.<\/p>\n Deri n\u00eb at\u00eb moment n\u00eb europ\u00eb pak e dinin ekzistenc\u00ebn e ndranghetas. Ishte nj\u00eb gabim. Faidat jan\u00eb luft\u00ebra brenda t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebs organizat\u00eb, brenda t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebs struktur\u00eb. Masakra ndodhi me 15 Gusht n\u00eb dit\u00eb feste dhe kishte nj\u00eb dometh\u00ebnie, sepse u hakmorr\u00ebn p\u00ebr vrasj\u00ebn e gruas s\u00eb nj\u00eb mafiozi e vrar\u00eb gabimisht m\u00eb 24 dhjetor, nat\u00ebn e Krishtlindjeve. Por gabuan sepse hetuesit gjerman\u00eb erdh\u00ebn dhe njoh\u00ebn k\u00ebt\u00eb organizat\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>Gj\u00ebja q\u00eb m\u00eb \u00e7udit pak q\u00eb n\u00eb dekadat e fundit pas masakr\u00ebs t\u00eb Capaci, Ndrangheta \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb rritje nd\u00ebkoh\u00eb q\u00eb Cosa Nostra ngjan me nj\u00eb celul\u00eb t\u00eb fjetur. T\u00eb pakt\u00ebn n\u00eb k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrimin ton\u00eb. Gratteri:\u00a0<\/strong>Sot t\u00eb gjitha mafiet, edhe \u201cCosa Nostra\u201d, \u00ebsht\u00eb ndryshe. \u00cbsht\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb ajo struktura e vog\u00ebl, familja q\u00eb shkon n\u00eb rrug\u00ebt e Palermos duke k\u00ebrkuar parat\u00eb e mbrojtjes, p\u00ebr t\u00eb k\u00ebrkuar ryshfet te tregtari dyqanit etj. Por \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb \u201cCosa Nostra\u201d q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb bot\u00ebn e sip\u00ebrmarrjes. N\u00eb menaxhimin e hoteleve, restoranteve, picerive, t\u00eb fabrikave t\u00eb vogla. Industrive t\u00eb vogla. Dhe \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb \u201cCosa Nostra\u201d, ashtu si dhe mafiat e tjera q\u00eb k\u00ebrkojn\u00eb lidhje me bot\u00ebn e profesioneve. Mjek\u00eb, inxhinier\u00eb, avokat\u00eb, arkitekt\u00eb, kontabilist\u00eb. N\u00eb bot\u00ebn e profesioneve dhe n\u00eb bot\u00ebn e politik\u00ebs. T\u00eb mos harrojm\u00eb q\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb kudo n\u00eb bot\u00eb aty ku votohet, mafioz\u00ebt jan\u00eb ata q\u00eb votojn\u00eb dhe ata q\u00eb votohen. Mafiat nuk kan\u00eb ideologji, nuk jan\u00eb as djathtas as majtas. Mafiet votojn\u00eb, ata v\u00ebn\u00eb bast mbi kalin fitues, Mafiat votojn\u00eb p\u00ebr kandidatin q\u00eb mendojn\u00eb se mund t\u2019u jap\u00eb garanci t\u00eb m\u00ebdha dhe m\u00eb pas p\u00ebrpiqen t\u00eb kapitalizojn\u00eb vot\u00ebn q\u00eb kan\u00eb dh\u00ebn\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>Do t\u00eb doja t\u00eb kuptoja pak, mafia shqiptare n\u00eb Rom\u00eb, Lazio. Do t\u00eb doja t\u00eb kuptoja pak, mafia shqiptare n\u00eb Rom\u00eb, Lazio. A kan\u00eb bashk\u00ebpunime me dy familjet mafioze aty, t\u00eb cilat jan\u00eb \u201cCasamonica\u201d dhe \u201cSpada\u201d apo punojn\u00eb le t\u00eb themi ve\u00e7mas?<\/p>\n Gratteri:\u00a0<\/strong>N\u00eb Itali ka filluar t\u00eb bjer\u00eb n\u00eb sy ky aspekti i mafiave t\u00eb huaja q\u00eb vendosen. P\u00ebrshembull n\u00eb fillim t\u00eb shekullit t\u00eb nj\u00ebzet\u00eb, Kur n\u00eb Ne\u00eb Jork u themelua \u201cDora e Zez\u00eb\u201d. \u00c7far\u00eb ishte \u201cDora e Zez\u00eb\u201d? Nj\u00eb mafie Italiane p\u00ebrb\u00ebr\u00eb nga kalabrez\u00ebt, sicilian\u00eb dhe nga Campagna. Q\u00eb kan\u00eb shkuar n\u00eb Ne\u00eb York me anije me emigrantet. Dhe kan\u00eb filluar t\u00eb jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb parazitare duke u v\u00ebn\u00eb gjoba emigrant\u00ebve.<\/p>\n Mafia shqiptare \u00ebsht\u00eb vendosur, \u00ebsht\u00eb stabilizuar n\u00eb nj\u00eb territor, p\u00ebr shembull, n\u00eb Lacion e poshtme. \u00cbsht\u00eb e qart\u00eb se p\u00ebr momentin kur kjo struktur\u00eb kriminale vendoset n\u00eb nj\u00eb komun\u00eb, vendoset n\u00eb nj\u00eb territor, \u00ebsht\u00eb e qart\u00eb se m\u00eb pas ka marr\u00ebdh\u00ebnie t\u00eb luft\u00ebs apo t\u00eb paqes, apo t\u00eb bashk\u00ebjetes\u00ebs, me strukturat kriminale t\u00eb cil\u00ebt tashm\u00eb jan\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb territor. Pra, ose krijohet nj\u00eb hap\u00ebsir\u00eb ose luftojn\u00eb deri sa fiton nj\u00ebri ose tjetri. Pra \u00ebsht\u00eb e dukshme q\u00eb mafia shqiptare e vendosur n\u00eb Lacio duhet t\u00eb krijoj\u00eb raporte n\u00eb \u00e7far\u00ebdo m\u00ebnyre ose me dhun\u00eb ose me dialog me strukturat kriminale q\u00eb jan\u00eb tashm\u00eb atje n\u00eb Lacio.<\/p>\n Mafia shqiptare nis nga nj\u00eb vend mjaftuesh\u00ebm i korruptuar, ku mendoj se ka riciklim shum\u00eb t\u00eb fort\u00eb, b\u00ebhet shum\u00eb riciklim, sepse \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb vend ku nuk ka shum\u00eb mund\u00ebsira, t\u00eb shoh\u00ebsh gjith\u00eb k\u00ebto pallate, k\u00ebto kulla q\u00eb rriten si k\u00ebrpudhat. Pra \u00ebsht\u00eb tashm\u00eb nj\u00eb tregues q\u00eb jemi duke folur p\u00ebr nj\u00eb anomali t\u00eb tregut. Nuk jemi n\u00eb Monte Carlo, nuk jemi n\u00eb Lond\u00ebr, nuk jemi n\u00eb Montreal, nuk jemi n\u00eb Ne\u00eb York.<\/p>\n Jemi n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri. Nj\u00eb vend n\u00eb jug q\u00eb niset nga nj\u00eb ekonomi kryesisht bujq\u00ebsi dhe blegtori. N\u00eb nj\u00eb far\u00eb m\u00ebnyre shihet se n\u00eb Tiran\u00eb k\u00ebto kulla, nga nj\u00eb rregull i thjesht\u00eb tregu, nuk kan\u00eb asnj\u00eb kuptim. Dhe mafia shqiptare p\u00ebr ne n\u00eb Itali nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb mafia e atyre kat\u00ebr njer\u00ebzve t\u00eb uritur q\u00eb vijn\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb kryer grabitje n\u00ebp\u00ebr vila n\u00eb veri, n\u00eb vilat e t\u00eb pasurve n\u00eb Piemonte, n\u00eb Veneto. Kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb mafia shqiptare. Ata jan\u00eb keqb\u00ebr\u00ebs t\u00eb d\u00ebshp\u00ebruar q\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqen t\u00eb pasurohen duke vjedhur. P\u00ebr ne mafia shqiptare eshte mafia n\u00eb rritje nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb. Mafia q\u00eb do rritet m\u00eb shum\u00eb, do t\u00eb jet\u00eb mafia shqiptare n\u00eb Europ\u00eb. \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mafia q\u00eb tani e shohim mjaft t\u00eb konsoliduar n\u00eb Evrop\u00ebn Veriore, Ve\u00e7an\u00ebrisht n\u00eb Holland\u00eb dhe n\u00eb Belgjik\u00eb. \u201cMafia shqiptare\u201d prej disa vitesh kemi filluar ta shohim n\u00eb ortak\u00ebri, n\u00eb marr\u00ebdh\u00ebnie me \u201cNdranghetan\u201d, Sidomos n\u00eb Amerik\u00ebn e Jugut. Po v\u00ebrtetohet se \u201cNdrangheta\u201d mbeten financuesit, organizator\u00ebt. Pastaj, p\u00ebr sa i p\u00ebrket logjistik\u00ebs, dometh\u00ebn\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebrit q\u00eb kokaina t\u00eb mb\u00ebrrij\u00eb n\u00eb veri t\u00eb Europ\u00ebs, po b\u00ebhet ekskluzivitet i mafies shqiptare. Kjo, p\u00ebr sa koh\u00eb ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me trafikun e kokain\u00ebs. E shohim shum\u00eb t\u00eb fort\u00eb n\u00eb logjistik\u00eb, p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb t\u00eb mundur mb\u00ebrritjen e kokain\u00ebs n\u00eb portet e Evrop\u00ebs Veriore. \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mafia q\u00eb i ngjan Ndranghetas. I ngjan p\u00ebr nga brutaliteti, ngjan n\u00eb struktur\u00eb, p\u00ebr nga lidhja e gjakut. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb un\u00eb them se \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mafia mbi t\u00eb cil\u00ebn duhet investuar, mbi t\u00eb cil\u00ebn duhet t\u2019i kushtoni shum\u00eb v\u00ebmendje, mos t\u00eb n\u00ebnvler\u00ebsohet absolutisht. Sepse kur strukturat jan\u00eb t\u00eb q\u00ebndrueshme, jan\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebshtira, kan\u00eb zbatimin me fanatiz\u00ebm t\u00eb rregullave, jan\u00eb t\u00eb strukturuara. Jan\u00eb mafie t\u00eb frikshme. Pra, ne po shkojm\u00eb p\u00ebrtej prodhimit t\u00eb marihuan\u00ebs n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri dhe sjelljes s\u00eb saj p\u00ebrmes asaj q\u00eb mbetet t\u00eb Sacra Corona Unita, N\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet Kanalit t\u00eb Otrantos, n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet Brindisit. Por e ardhmja do t\u00eb jet\u00eb transporti i kokain\u00ebs n\u00eb Evrop\u00eb N\u00eb Evrop\u00ebn Veriore n\u00eb ve\u00e7anti. Si dhe mos e n\u00ebnvler\u00ebsoni k\u00ebt\u00eb rr\u00ebnjosjen e mafies shqiptare n\u00eb pjes\u00ebn e poshtme t\u00eb Lacios.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>Ndrangheta \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mafie kaq e fuqishme, \u00e7far\u00eb nevoj\u00eb ka p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb bashk\u00ebpunime me shqiptar\u00ebt.<\/p>\n Gratteri:\u00a0<\/strong>Familjet e Ndrangheta-s t\u00eb cilat kan\u00eb vite q\u00eb menaxhojn\u00eb trafikun e kokain\u00ebs. Jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb kaq t\u00eb fort\u00eb, aq t\u00eb pasur sa q\u00eb ua n\u00ebnkontraktojn\u00eb transportin e kokain\u00ebs organizatave t\u00eb tjera. Mund t\u2019ia lejojn\u00eb vetes k\u00ebt\u00eb luks, q\u00eb t\u00eb lejojn\u00eb q\u00eb menaxhimi i ardhjes s\u00eb kokain\u00ebs n\u00eb Roterdam, n\u00eb Amsterdam, n\u00eb Ant\u00eberp. Dhe k\u00ebt\u00eb e b\u00ebjn\u00eb kundrejt pages\u00ebs, kundrejt p\u00ebrfitimeve.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0N\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri si\u00e7 dhe ju e p\u00ebrmend\u00ebt pak m\u00eb par\u00eb Sidomos n\u00eb Tiran\u00eb, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb bum nd\u00ebrtimi. Nga hetimet tuaja, del ndonj\u00eb lidhje mes mafies shqiptare ndoshta dhe ndranghetas me politik\u00ebn shqiptare? Edhe p\u00ebr kontrata publike sepse ekzistojn\u00eb shum\u00eb kontrata publike q\u00eb jan\u00eb n\u00eb dor\u00eb t\u00eb krimit. K\u00ebt\u00eb e di me siguri.<\/p>\n Gratteri:\u00a0<\/strong>At\u00ebhere shikoni, k\u00ebtu n\u00eb Napoli jo. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb pyetje q\u00eb duhet t\u2019ia drejtoni sipas meje Prokuroris\u00eb s\u00eb Rom\u00ebs dhe Reggio Calabrias. Sepse ne k\u00ebtu n\u00eb Napoli kemi nj\u00eb Camorra kaq t\u00eb fort\u00eb q\u00eb kontrollon\u2026 N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb moment, n\u00eb planin hetimor dhe gjyq\u00ebsor, nuk i kemi t\u00eb verifikuara, k\u00ebto lloj marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniesh.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>K\u00ebtu n\u00eb Itali pati nj\u00eb referendum. Ju jeni vendosur p\u00ebrball\u00eb, pik\u00ebrisht kundra qeveris\u00eb. Keni pasur edhe disa debate nga \u201cqeveria Meloni\u201d. M\u00eb kujton pak edhe\u2026 sepse prokuror\u00ebt antimafia edhe n\u00eb koh\u00ebt e shkuara kan\u00eb qen\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb n\u00eb syrin e shtetit shpeshher\u00eb. Ju e keni fituar k\u00ebt\u00eb betej\u00eb. A mendoni se e kan\u00eb me gjyq\u00ebsorin? Qeveria dhe ve\u00e7an\u00ebrisht Zonja Meloni?<\/p>\n Gratteri:\u00a0<\/strong>Pra, po, ne fituam referendumin sepse ne dit\u00ebm se si t\u2019ia shpjegonim njer\u00ebzve. Fol\u00ebm me nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb t\u00eb thjesht\u00eb. I kemi shpjeguar q\u00eb nuk mund t\u00eb modifikohen ato shtat\u00eb nenet e kushtetut\u00ebs sikur t\u00eb ishin nj\u00eb dekret ligjor. Un\u00eb mendoj se kryeministrja Meloni \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb person inteligjent, e djall\u00ebzuar, por ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb e rrethuar nga njer\u00ebz q\u00eb nuk din\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebshillojn\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb sektor. Dometh\u00ebn\u00eb, kush ka rolin e kryeministrit ai nuk mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb ekspert i gjith\u00e7kaje. N\u00ebse dikush b\u00ebn mjekun nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb ekspert i t\u00eb drejtave, k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb kush b\u00ebn politik\u00eb duhet t\u00eb rrethohet nga ekspert\u00eb p\u00ebr \u00e7do sektor, p\u00ebr secil\u00ebn ministri. Dhe ajo? Un\u00eb mendoj se nuk ka k\u00ebshilltar\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb n\u00eb sektorin q\u00eb mbulon drejtesin\u00eb. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb ia ka besuar njer\u00ebzve q\u00eb e kan\u00eb k\u00ebshilluar keq. Sepse reformat q\u00eb jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb deri tani apo \u00e7far\u00eb po b\u00ebjn\u00eb, nuk kan\u00eb asgj\u00eb q\u00eb ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me ideologjin\u00eb e partis\u00eb s\u00eb Melonit. Meloni \u00ebsht\u00eb vajza dhe mbesa e nj\u00eb partie t\u00eb djatht\u00eb, L\u00ebvizja Sociale, pastaj partia e Finit, tani partia e Melonit, Fratelli di Italia. Kjo ideologji e t\u00eb djatht\u00ebs nuk ka lidhje me ndryshimet aktuale q\u00eb jan\u00eb duke b\u00ebr\u00eb mbi drejt\u00ebsin\u00eb, sepse n\u00ebse sot po b\u00ebhen ndryshime t\u00eb cilat n\u00eb fund e b\u00ebjn\u00eb gjithnj\u00eb e m\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb gjetjen e prov\u00ebs, ngren\u00eb stek\u00ebn n\u00eb nivelin e garancive t\u00eb t\u00eb dyshuarit dhe t\u00eb akuzuarit, duke l\u00ebn\u00eb n\u00eb hije nevojat e pal\u00ebve e interesuara, duke l\u00ebn\u00eb n\u00eb hije nevojat e atyre q\u00eb vuajn\u00eb. Dhe kjo nuk ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb fare ideologjin\u00eb e djatht\u00eb. Por menaxhimi i Reform\u00ebs n\u00eb drejt\u00ebsi \u00ebsht\u00eb, le t\u00eb themi n\u00eb thonj\u00ebza, n\u00eb duart e Forza Italia. Q\u00eb n\u00eb origjin\u00ebn e saj \u00ebsht\u00eb Partia e Berlusconit. Tani kush e menaxhon sektorin e drejt\u00ebsis\u00eb brenda k\u00ebsaj shumice qeveris\u00ebse \u00ebsht\u00eb Forza Italia, jo Fratelli di Italia. Gjysma e Fratelli di Italia vuan k\u00ebto reforma, nuk i pranon, nuk i miraton ato. Por p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur koalicionin, p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur shumic\u00ebn jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb. Ndaj un\u00eb mendoj se Meloni nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb kund\u00ebr magjistrat\u00ebve. Mendoj se Meloni ua ka deleguar reformat n\u00eb drejt\u00ebsi njer\u00ebzve t\u00eb larg\u00ebt nga idet\u00eb e saja p\u00ebr drejt\u00ebsin\u00eb dhe sigurin\u00eb, por tani \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb situat\u00eb, pra nuk mund t\u00eb dal\u00eb sepse do t\u00eb binte qeveria dhe prandaj duhet t\u00eb presim deri n\u00eb vitin 2027 kur t\u00eb b\u00ebhen votimet, p\u00ebr t\u00eb kuptuar n\u00ebse do t\u00eb konfirmohet kjo qeveri. Patjet\u00ebr do t\u00eb ket\u00eb ndryshime n\u00eb reforma, korrigjime n\u00eb lidhje me gabimet e b\u00ebra. Ose, n\u00ebse do t\u00eb fitonte qendra e majt\u00eb, e ashtuquajtura fush\u00eb e gjer\u00eb q\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb rast t\u00eb jen\u00eb reforma p\u00ebr t\u00eb rregulluar gj\u00ebrat q\u00eb nuk kan\u00eb p\u00ebrshpejtuar proceset. Pra njer\u00ebzit kan\u00eb nevoj\u00eb q\u00eb nj\u00eb proces gjyq\u00ebsor mos t\u00eb zgjas\u00eb shtat\u00eb vjet por t\u00eb zgjas\u00eb nj\u00eb vit, nj\u00eb vit e gjysm\u00eb. Pra k\u00ebto ishin reformat q\u00eb duheshin b\u00ebr\u00eb. jo ato p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb sa m\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb gjetjen e provave ose p\u00ebr t\u00eb v\u00ebn\u00eb n\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00ebsi gjyqtar\u00ebt apo prokuror\u00ebt.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>N\u00eb fakt \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr betej\u00eb akoma me gjykatat q\u00eb m\u00eb duket se t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn ajo mendon q\u00eb e ka fituar. Jan\u00eb kampet e refugjat\u00ebve n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri q\u00eb n\u00eb 3 ose 4 raste Gjykata e Rom\u00ebs e refuzoi. Meloni thot\u00eb se tani ka zgjidhur gjith\u00e7ka. Ju a jeni n\u00eb dijeni t\u00eb situat\u00ebs?<\/p>\n Gratteri:<\/strong>\u00a0Un\u00eb di pak p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb, por di q\u00eb kan\u00eb kushtuar shum\u00eb k\u00ebto kampe n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri. Ishte m\u00eb shum\u00eb nj\u00eb efekt trondit\u00ebs ose parandalues p\u00ebr klandestin\u00ebt, p\u00ebr emigrant\u00ebt e paligjsh\u00ebm, Q\u00eb pastaj n\u00eb praktik\u00eb nuk i dihet se sa njer\u00ebz, sa klandestin\u00eb kan\u00eb qen\u00eb ose jan\u00eb atje n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri. Me sa duket, me k\u00ebt\u00eb kosto ndoshta nuk ia vlente barra qeran\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gazetari:<\/strong>\u00a0Jo, sepse jan\u00eb shum\u00eb pak v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. K\u00ebt\u00eb gj\u00eb e dim\u00eb. Nj\u00eb vend kaq i vog\u00ebl si Shqip\u00ebria, gjykat\u00ebsit tan\u00eb, prokuror\u00ebt tan\u00eb. \u00c7far\u00eb duhet t\u00eb b\u00ebjn\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb luftuar k\u00ebt\u00eb rritje t\u00eb mafies q\u00eb po v\u00eb tani rr\u00ebnj\u00eb edhe n\u00eb vendin ton\u00eb.<\/p>\n Gratteri:<\/strong>\u00a0B\u00ebni ligje proporcionale me realitetin kriminal. Filloni t\u00eb kopjoni sistemin antimafia italian. Pastaj gjyq\u00ebsori duhet t\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqet t\u00eb punoj\u00eb si ekip sepse n\u00ebse un\u00eb jam k\u00ebshtu jam xheloz p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb cop\u00eb t\u00eb vog\u00ebl nuk shkojm\u00eb askund. Mafia \u00ebsht\u00eb e strukturuar, mafia \u00ebsht\u00eb globale, ndaj edhe ne duhet t\u00eb ngrejm\u00eb nj\u00eb struktur\u00eb. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri duhet t\u2019ia nisin nga sistemi gjyq\u00ebsor Italian antimafia. pastaj t\u00eb jeni edhe m\u00eb t\u00eb rrept\u00eb, sepse problemi i korrupsionit q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb Itali \u00ebsht\u00eb madje shum\u00eb n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri.<\/p>\n Gazetari:\u00a0<\/strong>A mundet v\u00ebrtet\u00eb nj\u00eb dit\u00eb ta fitojm\u00eb luft\u00ebn kund\u00ebr mafias? Apo do ekzistoj\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb?<\/p>\n Gratteri:<\/strong>\u00a0Jo, mund t\u00eb reduktohet ndjesh\u00ebm fuqia e mafias n\u00ebse ka nj\u00eb sistem gjyq\u00ebsor n\u00eb respekt t\u00eb Kushtetut\u00ebs, n\u00ebse ka nj\u00eb sistem gjyq\u00ebsor t\u00eb fort\u00eb, n\u00ebse ka nj\u00eb sistem gjyq\u00ebsor proporcional me realitetin kriminal. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb duhet t\u00eb krijojn\u00eb, t\u00eb b\u00ebjn\u00eb shum\u00eb prej atyre ndryshimeve deri sa t\u00eb mos guxojn\u00eb t\u00eb kryejn\u00eb krime. Ndryshe vazhdojm\u00eb t\u00eb flasim kot.\/Piranjat\/<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Bumi i nd\u00ebrtimeve dhe ngritja e pandalshme e kullave n\u00eb Tiran\u00eb kan\u00eb ngritur prej koh\u00ebsh pik\u00ebpyetje mbi burimin e financimeve dhe rrezikun e pastrimit t\u00eb parave. N\u00eb nj\u00eb intervist\u00eb\u00a0ekskluzive p\u00ebr Piranjat, kryeprokurori italian i antimafias,\u00a0Nicola Gratteri, analizon k\u00ebt\u00eb fenomen dhe shpjegon se si sektori i nd\u00ebrtimit mund t\u00eb shfryt\u00ebzohet p\u00ebr t\u00eb legalizuar kapitalet e paligjshme. …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":144284,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[37],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-144283","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","","category-politike"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/144283","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=144283"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/144283\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":144285,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/144283\/revisions\/144285"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/144284"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=144283"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=144283"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rdnews.al\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=144283"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}<\/p>\n